Gandi Hosting in public beta is open!
By Ryan on Monday 7 January 2008, 14:20 - Gandi - Permalink
Here we are: the moment that many of you have been waiting for, for days, weeks, or even months. Personally, I have been looking for to this for several years now, but then again I'm an incurable dreamer :D
You will discover a new navigation tab on our website that has been discretely highlighted (don't laugh...it's our version of publicity) so that you will not overlook it: Gandi hosting has been launched in public beta testing, we trust, to provide you with an even higher level of service.
The fact of calling this launching "beta testing" does not refer to the intellectual capacity of your servants (at least, we hope not!). No. Simply, it is because we are careful people, and we want to underline the fact that we want to gradually increase the load of the truly new product that has been the result of the hard work and talents of all involved.
As with every project of this type, which does not involve reselling solutions that already exist and have been tested (or 90% of the market), we are going to go through difficult periods. We will come out for the better because we will be - as we have always been - reactive and passionate about what we do. We will also need your patience and indulgence: We would like to thank you and your teams in advance, who will help make this possible.
As you have been able to see in the previous blog entries on our hosting service, we have tried to create the product that we would like to have as a customer, with the principal criteria being flexibility (at all levels) and quality. The product that you have under your eyes today is only the first version of an even larger project, and we will everything possible to assure that we can write the rest of the adventure with you.
Adventure? In my eyes, yes. To dare to create a product, in France, that is for customers around the world, at the cutting-edge of technology in the field, while nobody has been expecting this from us, all the while restructuring a company in difficulty and solidifying its core metier, was not without periods of concern during the past three years. But here we are, many of our customers have been asking us to move in this direction, and it was something of a wild dream; Or perhaps simply we had confidence in our vision, persisting until we have transformed it to something tangible.
It is therefore with immense pride that I would like to thank everyone at Gandi who has made this possible, I know - because I have shared this with you - all the effort that you have put into this project, for your company, and am confident in our ability to fulfil our promises.
I would also like to thank all of those in advance, and those - you, who are reading this - that will allow us to continue our journey in this new direction by buying hosting server shares, and in spreading the word to your friends and colleagues the same way to have a presence on the internet :D. One that will last!
- The Wiki of the new Gandi community (Gandi Wi) http://wiki.gandi.net/ which will allow you to post all the problems that you might happen to come across, or even to start to contribute your own knowledge to enrich this community. You may connect to the Wiki via your usual Gandi handle and password.
- The blog of the same community, which is a sort of copy of the Bar, but devoted entirely to hosting, and which is located at the following URL: http://hosting.gandibar.net/.
- The IRC chat channel, where we will be happy to welcome you and try to be available to answer your questions. This may be found on the freenode network (irc.freenode.net) and in the channel #gandi-hosting.
- The Gandi newsgroup/forum via your newsgroup reader on the server groups.gandi.net or on the web at http://groups.gandi.net. For information, a new version of the Gandi groups is being prepared and will be released next week at the latest.
The team at Gandi joins me in wishing you a happy new year 2008!!!
Comments
Happy new year Sosso, Steph & Co !
I'm running the new web hosting service in an effort to get...
...and I come to the "Please come back later"...
How should I deal with this ?
Help appreciated !
@tenzo
Happy new year to you too!
We are under fire by the huge number of simultaneous connections that we are getting at this time, so the front-end is suffering a bit. This will calm down soon, however.
Thank Ryan
Now I'm getting on...
Why have you decided to propose the "General terms and conditions of domain name registration" in the contract step ? I've just chosen to create a server with 1 part!
I'm reading the "Hosting terms and conditions"...
I'll be back soon!
Congratulations, it looks really good. Well done!
Happy New Year !!
Well, I was really on the way to move all from my hosting provider (email and a few static files), and for my wife as well, and... it is pretty above my current 30 Euros excl. VAT a year
with no need to ask any support (FTP and I am done).
Your offer looks revolutionary indeed, but 72 Euros for one share + domain name 12 E, I am not sure if it will equal my current basic hosting (of course, not with your beautiful customer service
Anyway, thank you to try something new. I really want to use more your services, for my peace of mind !!
A question: could I, with one share, share hard drive for 2 different domains (both register at Gandi of course)?
Hello rvb,
Happy new year to you too!
I need to correct one figure you quote in your post: our Beta price is *6 euros* a share (not 72 euros). And of course it is necessary to stress that our hosting service and domain name service are totally separate...
As Gandi provides virtual dedicated servers, the question of sharing resources with different domains does not enter in to the equation - you have much, much more flexibility with Gandi's hosting service. For example, you can host as many websites on your server if you want, by simply creating virtual hosts in your Apache http server, or by configuring your server's resources as needed (you just need to point your domain's A record to your server's IP address so your domain knows where to find your server...).
The possibilities are limitless indeed, and very flexible. This is unlike any shared hosting solution which only give you "X domains per hosting package" or "X services". Gandi's service adapts to *your* needs, and not the other way around.
Our customer support would be pleased to answer any questions you have about our service - we look forward to hearing from you!
Hi.
Probably, RVB were thinking in the price of a full year for one share: 6 * 12 = 72 (excl. VAT).
But. That price is for the Beta "Gandi Hosting". What about the price when in full production? Do you know the final price?
Thanks. (and Good job, as always).
Your hosting solution looks great. However, without knowing what it will eventually cost, it makes no sense to pay (a reduced price for an unspecified time) for beta testing. Seriously, why pay to test something that in the end may not be competitive with other Xen/Virtuozzo VPS packages? It's a waste of time. Publish your actual prices and get a solid and loyal customer base from the start, or not.
For the benefit of other English speakers, the French version of the blog operates with a price of E12 per share/month. Apart from RAM, that's a little high for the specs (only 5 GB disk). Good to know before signing up.
Our final price for one share will not exceed 12 euros, but the real question is not there...
It is important to avoid falling into the trap of looking for what may appear to be the best bargain with regards to hosting for a couple of reasons.
First, Gandi has deliberately not chosen to be a discount web host, this is something that we are proud of, and something which should also reassure our customers on several levels. Discount services buy cheap hardware, divide it among as many customers as possible, and sell it with classic deceptive marketing tricks (with full knowledge that only 20% of the customers will take full advantage of the resources...).
Gandi, on the other hand, has purchased extremely high-quality equipment (with all the security that comes with that), maintains multiple data centers at different locations, and provides free customer support. These are not things of little consequence
Also, one of the major points of Gandi's hosting service is the *flexibility* that you have - which is why the whole discussion of price must be taken into a different context.
Because you can add and remove shares in real time, and without any contractual obligation in terms of time, as your need for power changes, you determine how many shares you actually need. This is the key to understanding Gandi's web hosting service.
Our service lets the customer (You!) decide how much power they need. Consequently, our customers consume better over time and in a real-life environment and therefore, less! For example, you can start your project with one share, and then if you find that you need more power, then add another, or another...or remove one...or add more disk space...or more disks...etc.
You are also the one that decides how much disk space your server has...and when. You can create and add a disk of 250 GB if you need more disk space...or make a more modest disk of just 1 GB...or 6 GB...or remove an unused 10 GB disk from one server and attach it to another, or remove disk space that you purchased that (as it turns out) you may not have needed in the end. You can change your server as your needs change... We don't tell you what to do and what you can do; even with our services, you tell us what you want.
The whole notion of a fixed cost per year, or even per month, no longer exists with web hosting. It is very important to steer the discussion away from simple price comparisons, and towards a discussion on how to best manage your resources in real time so as to provide the best and most intelligent services - to YOUR customers or web visitors
Thanks for taking the time to respond, Ryan.
I think it's fantastic that a European host is pushing the boundaries and, please note, I did not say that we were not going to sign up. I just said that it helps to know the actual/eventual prices of the services you are signing up for. Even if the total is based upon your own settings and consumption.
I think you will find, somewhat contrary to what you say, that people will actually compare services along with prices within the same context: the hosting industry. Even if you call the services apples and oranges, people will then compare apples to oranges and look for similarities along with pros and cons.
Keep in mind too that many have another launch of unproven technology with the promise of scalability (endless bucket provided, pay per GPU as you go) fresh in memory. It is, I think, fair to say that the aforementioned solution still has not proven itself and the flexibility came at the cost of reduced performance. This is not an acceptable trade-off for many.
Hardware resources can never compete without actual server/system performance (what really matters; bang for buck) and the three most important things in hosting: stability, stability and stability. Xen/Virtuozzo VPS packages from quality European providers are already divided along the lines of your shares and you can upgrade/downgrade according to your blling cycle. In addition, extra GBs of HD and bandwidth can be added at a very reasonable cost, paid per GB unit. That's probably acceptable for 99% of users and just leaves the 1% paranoid about the buzzword-compliant digg/slashdot effect.
A new solution, however great, does not void all others. In fact, all scaleable products presented thus far seem to have scaled to an ego set on taking over the entire hosting industry upon launch of the beta ;-). Sign of the times, etc.
Anyways, we look forward to trying it out and, once more, it's great to see this type of thing in data centers within decent ping range.
I'm in the US and am wondering if there would be any significant latency issues with using Gandi hosting. As I understand all servers will be housed in Europe.
Thanks!
@ Ryan, thanks for your reply and your details about your new offer. It obviously need to be wide explain because Gandi pretend it to be very unlike the other players in the hosting industry.
@ msr, thanks as well, I was talking about annual price indeed. I was not clear enough obviously, as I wanted to write shortly.
I understand very well the advantage of flexibility by adding or removing shares at any time, even for a few hours. I have no problem at all with that, it could be helpful when a higher traffic occurs. But, like anyone running a business, an non profit-organization and even a single person who is passionate with the web (you might have loads of them ;-), it is important to know how much you will pay for a year, at least, for a service. I am talking about budget and prevision, not about expectation. As far I cannot get less than one share, the cost is 72 Euros a year, but more likely 144 Euros a year when Gandi's definitive prices will take place. (Well Stephan, I don't find that way of pricing more fair than other ISPs you point in your posts, if you see what I mean... )
And after an hour reading both offer description pages and gandibar in French (lebardegandi), I still did not find any thing stating the opposite. So maybe we could buy shares at the beta price in advance for at least a year for the initial configuration (maybe with some limits to avoid smarty and “medium” people who know that they won't move to another hosting provider). I am sure it will ease the move from a lot of small websites/servers who will need months to make the most of the “unlimited” possibilities Gandi promises us !!
PS: I mention above Stephan/Gandi's comments #101, 109 and 121
http://www.lebardegandi.net/post/20...
PS2: what about online.net hosting services? How will you compare to them, if I only have once contact their support service?
(sorry for maybe double post, but still nothing published since yesterday evening...)
@ Ryan, thanks for your reply and your details about your new offer. It obviously need to be wide explain because Gandi pretend it to be very unlike the other players in the hosting industry.
@ msr, thanks as well, I was talking about annual price indeed. I was not clear enough obviously, as I wanted to write shortly.
I understand very well the advantage of flexibility by adding or removing shares at any time, even for a few hours. I have no problem at all with that, it could be helpful when a higher traffic occurs. But, like anyone running a business, an non profit-organization and even a single person who is passionate with the web (you might have loads of them ;-), it is important to know how much you will pay for a year, at least, for a service. I am talking about budget and prevision, not about expectation. As far I cannot get less than one share, the cost is 72 Euros a year, but more likely 144 Euros a year when Gandi's definitive prices will take place. (Well Stephan, I don't find that way of pricing more fair than other ISPs you point in your posts, if you see what I mean... )
And after an hour reading both offer description pages and gandibar in French (lebardegandi), I still did not find any thing stating the opposite. So maybe we could buy shares at the beta price in advance for at least a year for the initial configuration (maybe with some limits to avoid smarty and “medium” people who know that they won't move to another hosting provider). I am sure it will ease the move from a lot of small websites/servers who will need months to make the most of the “unlimited” possibilities Gandi promises us !!
PS: I mentioned above Stephan/Gandi's comments #101, 109 and 121
www.lebardegandi.net/post/2008/01/02/Beta-publique-de-Gandi-Hebergement-ouverte#c163510
PS2: What about Online.net hosting services? How will you compare to them, if I only have once contact their support service?
Is there is something wrong with gandibar? I am just asking, sorry to be off-topic (well, it is dotClear and Gandi hosting, usually all works well :-), because there is no new comment here, neither on the French version about Gandi Hosting. Nevertheless I posted yesterday and this morning. Discussions were very interesting that far !-(
Hello Berto,
Welcome to the bar!
Gandi's servers are indeed located in France. You can test the latency by pinging, for example, the following 217.70.184.1.
I for one think this service is very promising. Gandi has been a reliable registrar, so I put a lot of trust in new offerings from Gandi.
As someone who maintains some servers in a datacenter, I can say that a flexible virtualization-based solution is very welcome. Especially in the lower end of the market, bare hardware servers can be fairly painful. If you grow out of a production server, you can't easily expand its disk space or replace its CPUs. A service that allows you to easily add and expand VMs, and add other resources like disk space is very useful. You can care less about physical hardware and more about deploying your applications. (You don't really want to go to the data center when you are enjoying the night with some friends when a stick of memory dies, and users/customers are calling. Unless you get paid very well ;).)
For all the people who are looking for affordable webhosting: one share with 256 MB RAM and some CPU time can easily serve static websites and websites that do not have high database or web application loads. In contrast to OpenVZ-based solutions or shared hosting, resources isolation is good with Xen (meaning that someone else's heavily-loaded VM won't affect your own VM in any significant way). A very important difference with shared hosting (as somebody mentioned) is that you have full control of the virtual machine, you can administrate it, serve as many domains as you like, add Apache modules, use your favorite database server, etc.
Hi again!
I have been thinking about all of these interessant posts. I think the best way is to give them a try, which is, for most of the hosting providers, not really possible. Well, for 1 year, or at least 6 months, this is not a try anymore... Here at Gandi they give 1 month or less... or better is more time to test, without any time-based contract (Stephan, this is a MAJOR move in the online business! Thank you. Thinking of us, poor mobile phone's costumers :'(
So I took one share, and I am discovering the back-end management of Gandi AI (I am fine and full enough with my local FreeBSD server and the CLI/shell without graphic interface. I am not a pure geek ;-). And while I am planing the move from my current hosting provider, I share (it is all about sharing here, isn't it?!!) a migration procedure for the email on the Gandi's groups (no need for Gandi hosting, it is about GandiMail included with domain name services)
http://groups.gandi.net/en/topic/ga...
and I hope to complete the web server migration this week-end. Nobody replies or amends it so far... it can not be perfect, yet. So please have a look and share your points! (@Ryan and @Elliott, no copyrights, even I prefer the GNU Free Documentation Licence GFDL, of course)
Then I will share my experience after the whole move from my current provider to Gandi. No more speculations, but Real Life and back to business!
Sheare... sorry, Cheers
I have registered an email address with you. Now I am wondering if you can host my website as the current host is rather irresponsible in returning communications. We also wish to change the present look of the site.
Please let me know the details in simple English as to what services you provide as a host and what are the charges in US dollars.
Thank you in advance
Vasanti Jayaswal
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