Gandi hosting, no longer quite so beta...
By Ryan on Tuesday 23 September 2008, 19:19 - Gandi - Permalink
We have grown, and we have burned
We have worked and we have learned
And now our new service is ready to
Present as a final gift to you!
Granted, I was not hired to be a poet. Still, my heart is lifted at the very thought of how much progress our superb team of developers has made!
And all this just to bring you up-to-date on the latest developments in our hosting offer!
We have worked and we have learned
And now our new service is ready to
Present as a final gift to you!
Granted, I was not hired to be a poet. Still, my heart is lifted at the very thought of how much progress our superb team of developers has made!
And all this just to bring you up-to-date on the latest developments in our hosting offer!
We'll begin then, if you please, by discussing storage:
- our initial storage architecture was based on RAID 6 SATA hard disks. This has been upgraded to RAID 60 on SAS disks. Since everyone prefers hearing about performance rather than norms and acronyms, know that our disks' access time has been divided by 3! This in itself is wonderful, but in addition to this you will also experience a far better quality of service.
And the network?
- As we preferred the color of the diodes on the Cisco switches better, we replaced all of our old switches by those made by this well-known brand. Actually, it was not just for looks that we did this, and the experts among you will know the truth. Those would be some expensive diodes!
- We have also installed a second data center which is nearly finished, and which will really allow us to go crazy with redundancy, backups, fail-overs etc... more about this in due time.
All this is just wonderful: a hosting platform that has offered an excellent level of service for over 9 months now, including a massive upgrade three months ago (correct me if I am wrong, dear Beta-Testers). And all of this as part of the beta! (even though not all of our customers have migrated to the famous new storage architecture! This will be done in the coming weeks, when the new customers, the non-beta testers if you will, will be comfortably installed directly on the SAS disks).
Wait! Stop throwing the tomatoes at me! Let me finish! This is the part where I mention money
All the recent changes and improvements in our network have obviously been at a cost. And since you, dear customer, have stopped being naive a long time ago, believing that you can give away a domain name just for fun or sell high-quality hosting for a buck without any trouble in the world, you are quite naturally going to ask me how much a Gandi hosting share will be once we are in the final version of our hosting service. The truth is that service and reliability have a cost.
Don't worry - I'm not going to dwell on this topic. I know what it's like to skim over a text, looking for an answer among the many lines; your eyes involuntarily jump around the page, in the hope of catching a number somewhere, the one you are looking for...
Yes, I know that I am playing with you here. So I have written the magic number in letters, so that it discretely blends into the surrounding text, so that you have to read everything. Enough said - I hereby announce the price excluding VAT of sixteen dollars (twelve euros, or nine pounds fifty depending on your currency) per month. Well, there you have it! Sixteen dollars excluding VAT for a share as you have come to know and love it with all its flexible options, while simultaneously being beefed up by SAS and thus having all its resources improved overall.
And if I constantly stress the flexible aspect that you are already familiar with, it is because we have also created a special offer for a new type of share that is part of the same technology, but without the flexibility in both time and price: an "annual share". Annual shares are purchased for a contractual period of one year, but are only fourteen dollars (ten euros or eight pounds) excluding VAT per month. An annual share is therefore purchased for an entire year for fourteen dollars a month, or one hundred sixty-eight dollars per year. Think of this share as the first one that you purchase in order to keep your cost to a minimum, and play with adding more or less shares depending on your needs.
The cherry on top is for the beta testers. In order to thank you for your confidence, your trust, and also your patience at the beginning (here I am thinking about the famous filer 13 incident), we are going to keep giving you Beta rates until the end of the year. I nonetheless must mention that the annual share, (the one that is fixed for twelve months), is not covered by this reduction - there have to be some limits!
Of course there will be some that will be unhappy with the rates. Those that honestly thought that our rates could remain at six euros per share forever... Realistically however Gandi has had to make major investments to offer a level of service that is worthy of its name in both technology and level of service, and these investments have had a direct impact on the price of a share.
We honestly believe that we are providing a high-quality service at a price that is within the reach of the public. The future will show you that you made the right decision to give us your trust; we are sure of this. And are working hard to make it come true. We have also kept in mind those of you who do not necessarily need all the power of these resources to launch your project. But require just a little bit of power. We will soon start to talk about an offer that we have been working on that is specifically designed for those of you that fit this description: a way to create a professional-quality website in the blink of an eye.
Innovation, my friends, innovation
PS (Stephan): So that our enthusiasm is not seen as simple arrogance, I feel the need to stress that we are doing our utmost to deliver the best quality of service, but that nobody is perfect. We may have the best machines in the universe, white rooms with millions of square feet at our disposal, pipelines capable of absorbing everything that moves etc... but there is always room for improvement.
You can, however, be sure of two things:
- that our infrastructure and technology can respond to meet the varied hosting needs of the general public
- that we are and will be doing everything, no matter what the circumstances may be, to serve you as best we can.
- our initial storage architecture was based on RAID 6 SATA hard disks. This has been upgraded to RAID 60 on SAS disks. Since everyone prefers hearing about performance rather than norms and acronyms, know that our disks' access time has been divided by 3! This in itself is wonderful, but in addition to this you will also experience a far better quality of service.
And the network?
- As we preferred the color of the diodes on the Cisco switches better, we replaced all of our old switches by those made by this well-known brand. Actually, it was not just for looks that we did this, and the experts among you will know the truth. Those would be some expensive diodes!

- We have also installed a second data center which is nearly finished, and which will really allow us to go crazy with redundancy, backups, fail-overs etc... more about this in due time.
All this is just wonderful: a hosting platform that has offered an excellent level of service for over 9 months now, including a massive upgrade three months ago (correct me if I am wrong, dear Beta-Testers). And all of this as part of the beta! (even though not all of our customers have migrated to the famous new storage architecture! This will be done in the coming weeks, when the new customers, the non-beta testers if you will, will be comfortably installed directly on the SAS disks).
Wait! Stop throwing the tomatoes at me! Let me finish! This is the part where I mention money
All the recent changes and improvements in our network have obviously been at a cost. And since you, dear customer, have stopped being naive a long time ago, believing that you can give away a domain name just for fun or sell high-quality hosting for a buck without any trouble in the world, you are quite naturally going to ask me how much a Gandi hosting share will be once we are in the final version of our hosting service. The truth is that service and reliability have a cost.
Don't worry - I'm not going to dwell on this topic. I know what it's like to skim over a text, looking for an answer among the many lines; your eyes involuntarily jump around the page, in the hope of catching a number somewhere, the one you are looking for...
Yes, I know that I am playing with you here. So I have written the magic number in letters, so that it discretely blends into the surrounding text, so that you have to read everything. Enough said - I hereby announce the price excluding VAT of sixteen dollars (twelve euros, or nine pounds fifty depending on your currency) per month. Well, there you have it! Sixteen dollars excluding VAT for a share as you have come to know and love it with all its flexible options, while simultaneously being beefed up by SAS and thus having all its resources improved overall.
And if I constantly stress the flexible aspect that you are already familiar with, it is because we have also created a special offer for a new type of share that is part of the same technology, but without the flexibility in both time and price: an "annual share". Annual shares are purchased for a contractual period of one year, but are only fourteen dollars (ten euros or eight pounds) excluding VAT per month. An annual share is therefore purchased for an entire year for fourteen dollars a month, or one hundred sixty-eight dollars per year. Think of this share as the first one that you purchase in order to keep your cost to a minimum, and play with adding more or less shares depending on your needs.
The cherry on top is for the beta testers. In order to thank you for your confidence, your trust, and also your patience at the beginning (here I am thinking about the famous filer 13 incident), we are going to keep giving you Beta rates until the end of the year. I nonetheless must mention that the annual share, (the one that is fixed for twelve months), is not covered by this reduction - there have to be some limits!
Of course there will be some that will be unhappy with the rates. Those that honestly thought that our rates could remain at six euros per share forever... Realistically however Gandi has had to make major investments to offer a level of service that is worthy of its name in both technology and level of service, and these investments have had a direct impact on the price of a share.
We honestly believe that we are providing a high-quality service at a price that is within the reach of the public. The future will show you that you made the right decision to give us your trust; we are sure of this. And are working hard to make it come true. We have also kept in mind those of you who do not necessarily need all the power of these resources to launch your project. But require just a little bit of power. We will soon start to talk about an offer that we have been working on that is specifically designed for those of you that fit this description: a way to create a professional-quality website in the blink of an eye.
Innovation, my friends, innovation
PS (Stephan): So that our enthusiasm is not seen as simple arrogance, I feel the need to stress that we are doing our utmost to deliver the best quality of service, but that nobody is perfect. We may have the best machines in the universe, white rooms with millions of square feet at our disposal, pipelines capable of absorbing everything that moves etc... but there is always room for improvement.
You can, however, be sure of two things:
- that our infrastructure and technology can respond to meet the varied hosting needs of the general public
- that we are and will be doing everything, no matter what the circumstances may be, to serve you as best we can.
Comments
Yeah, great, congrats and all that :D
if however, I go clicking to order my anual share and find I can't yet, I'll... I'll... I'll...
well, I guess I'll wait a bit longer...
and also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who actually cares about the color of the diodes :D
Hi Goranche, just a little bit longer yet, then you'll get your annual shares. We'll be sure to tell you when it's ready, but it has to bake just a little bit more...thanks for waiting! Joe
Ryan, at $14 prices are still extremely cheap, thanks for keeping it low.
Ryan, that was a long-winded way to say you are doubling your prices.
Three months at the same price is at least some advance notice, but a 100% price rise is a lot to stomach, whether it was a Beta service or not. I didn't get the impression prices would rise like this when we signed up.
That said, the service is great so we will stick with it.
@Jake: Thanks for your compliment!
We too were unsure as to what the final cost per share would be (within a certain ballpark of course). In the end, we needed to set the price where we did because we chose to go with better hardware and performance.
Between the ramifications of offering cheap equipment and low prices, or those of top notch equipment and a somewhat higher prices there is really only one possibility that would hold true to Gandi's reputation and engagement to you.
So yes, the rates are perhaps a bit higher than anticipated, but the performance will leave nothing to be desired
However, you must not forget the very uniqueness of Gandi's offer: absolute flexibility. By being able to add and remove shares depending on your needs in real-time, both manually and using our automatic GandiFlex service, you can actually greatly reduce your cost, as you only use pay for what you actually consume. So not only are you gaining in performance, but in the long term you are gaining in savings!
Glad to hear it's coming... but could you announce again once i can actually orde some hosting ?
The beta price was always a bit too good to last. But even USD16 for what you're offering (Xen/256MB/5GB/5Mbit) is pretty competitive.
Any word on when we will be able to order a server? (It's still showing the beta invitation message)
The day is now! great announcement!
Now er'll try to rise the service to the maximum. We are at 38 shares now, and growing. ¿There will be bulk rates?
Wow. To many letters on screen. WHEN, GUYS, WHEN???
You have a testers, you have your fanky service for slected, but what about others?
Hi guys glad to see you're so keen to get your hands on hosting! Word on the street is .... the Beta will reopen to everyone in the next few days and the service will go live by the end of next week. Look forward to seeing what you're all going to do
That's a good price for the service that's offered. Most Xen-ish competition is more expensive, and not as flexible as Gandi. As with domain names, I'd rather pay a bit more for a good quality service, and it sounds like all preparations have been made to make it solid.
And thanks for giving us beta testers a few more months at the old price ;)!
Thank you guys!
Even with the price increase, your service still offers more benefits compared to similarly priced offerings from other providers.
thats very Good news .. but when gandi will open for every one .. means i want to by a server please let me know...
Good to hear that things are moving out of beta.
One remark however. Since you will now be hosting servers that are LIVE instead of some sandboxing servers, I do hope that the doubling of the price includes a support staff that is on call 24 hours a day.
You can't run a hosting company with customers having to wait 24+ hours to get their server back online if there is a problem. I do trust that you have that solved and simply forgot to mention it, because otherwise I would still consider the hosting platform 'beta'.
I do hope to hear some good news on this regard so we can make the decision whether we will go ahead and migrate all our servers to your company.
For us European users, could you please give us the prices including VAT? Or at least tell us what the applicable VAT percentage is.
Hi guys, I'm glad to hear that you're happy with the offer. It should be available to everyone by the end of next week, so not long to wait now.
@ Chris - yes the issues that would cause servers to become unavailable are solved. We have network ops staff available 24/7 so any issues will be dealt with promply.
@ Jonas - the VAT rate is the French rate, which is 19.6%. If you are a European company you can provide a European VAT number and will not be charged this amount. Also if you are outside of Europe you will not be charged either.
I hope that helps, Joe
Hi there..
I've been one of the betatesters for a while now and improvement of the service is significant. In the beginning I was experiencing all kinds of problems with the virtualization itself, but for month or two the service has been almost perfect.
Also I have to mention that the price of 12eur is very competent compared to local service providers here. Thank you for that.
I hope that the quality of the service remains at the level as it has been lately. In that case I'm more than happy being a client also in the future.
I have some questions, since your service (pricing, specifications) competes with Slicehost, more or less (they offer more storage, you offer way more bandwidth but with a capped line etc.). The choice is not easy, since they also run a respectable service.
The machine is a Dell PowerEdge R905. From dell.com I see that this uses 4 Quad-Core AMD Opteron Processors from the 8300 series. The 8300 series has processors from 1900 to 2500 MHz, therefor I'm unable to determine the real CPU power of a slice.
i) What is the CPU power of each share, in MHz?
ii) Can a share go over its CPU and RAM limit for a limited period, if there are free resources in the server?
iii) Is a single share digg-proof (I have this single-slice example in mind => http://forum.slicehost.com/comments...)?
iv) Will you run your servers to a fixed limit (e.g. 90%) or each one will be filled 100% with 62 (+2 for management) slices?
v) Will you offer SMS support for outages and other similar problems?
vi) Are there any real-world examples of sites with a decent amount of traffic/visitors, running on 1-2 slices?
vii) In general, why do you think your service (leaving support aside) is better than them?
viii) What is the speed of an african swallow?
I don't mean to sound (read) rude, but there are many recent fiascoes in the "cluster" sector of the hosting industry and the sceptics among us, need more info to process.
I know I can try before buying, but time is precious.
Hi Nvi, wow, what a lot of questions! But fortuneately we have the answers
i) What is the CPU power of each share, in MHz?
Well, roughly speaking in each machine we have 4 x 4 physical processors each of which is about 2Ghz, so 16x2Gz, meaning each share gets roughly 500Mz each. It's not always quite that straighforward to divide it, so we have a benchmark page which shows you the equivalent power here:
https://www.gandi.net/hosting/propo...
ii) Can a share go over its CPU and RAM limit for a limited period, if there are free resources in the server?
No, but that's partly the point of the Xen system. It means that the resources are truely yours and cannot be used by anyone else even if you are not using. Which means the reverse is true too, you cannot get access to other shares, even if they are unused.
However we do have Flex, which is a system where you can increase the amount of shares you use for small periods only. So if you know you need more, you can book it in advance and get it.
iii) Is a single share digg-proof (I have this single-slice example in mind => http://forum.slicehost.com/comments...)?
This is almost impossible to answer as it really depends on what you're running on your share and how your site is written. If you just had static files on your site, it would be cached and served out even at high volume with minimumal problems. If you had a complex database, so each query kicked off a script, then a high volume could cause problems. So really it depends on what you've got on your share, and you'll have to adjust things as you go depending on your needs. We try to give you some guidance here:
https://www.gandi.net/hosting/propo...
iv) Will you run your servers to a fixed limit (e.g. 90%) or each one will be filled 100% with 62 (+2 for management) slices?
There is no fixed limit on our machines, though we do need to always run with spare capacity, as customers can upgrade/downgrade at any time, or book flex resources. So in practice there will always be free room in the system, though how this is spread between individual machines will not always be the same. Though once again, the physical resources of each share are fixed and guaranteed.
v) Will you offer SMS support for outages and other similar problems?
Our network ops team get alerted by SMS (and other methods) in event of a failure, but this is not something that we offer as standard direct to our customers (though we could do it in the future). It would be possible for you to setup monitoring services on your shares which alerted you by SMS, though you would have to configure this yourself.
vi) Are there any real-world examples of sites with a decent amount of traffic/visitors, running on 1-2 slices?
We have many thousands of servers running now, each with different amounts of shares. I believe this one, www.webeden.co.uk has 2 shares running.
vii) In general, why do you think your service (leaving support aside) is better than them?
Well, looking at the slicehost.com offer it is a Xen based system, but there are many reasons why our offer is superior. Which are;
* Price - Ours is $16 per share, there's is $20
* Flexibility - Our contract is by the hour, there's is by the month (though if you signup with them, I was surprised to see a minimum of 3 months)
* Scale - We have 750,000 domain names and manage many thousands of customers each day. We have built our hosting over 2 years to make sure it is robust for the scale we need. In a few months from the beta launch we had 7000 servers created to test our systems, and following that we refined the offer to tighten it up. We expect to deal with many tens of thousands of servers in a very short time, and are confident we will be robust.
* Transparency - We tell you exactly what is going on and what our servers and disks are made of. We promise to always keep you informed even if we suffer problems.
* Disks - We are running RAID 60 with SAS disks, which is the best solution on the newest disk technology.
viii) What is the speed of an african swallow?
The average flight speed of a European swallow is about 11 metres per second. http://www.style.org/unladenswallow... However the African swallow is generally of similar size and weight. So if I had to guess, I would also say 11 metres per second
I hope that helps,
Joe
Thank you for the detailed answers.
I read about the Flex system and the auto-Flex possibility in the future, although I'm a bit worried about "spikes" that could occur, ranging from a few minutes to a few hours. How would a share react? One could never know when the ability to scale is needed and, provided that there are free resources in the server, this could be a solution. If my share would run at 50% at a given moment, I wouldn't mind to loan the rest of it when another customer needs it for a couple of hours.
About the digg-proof question, let's say about a post in a standard Wordpress blog, with a few (not power-hungry) add-ons.
Finally, I forgot to ask about backups. Do you offer them as a standard or as an add-on?
For us VAT-affected Europeans, your service and price is roughly similar to Slicehost and Linode (although Linode offer 40% more RAM), about $20 per share. I'm positive that all of you offer a respectable service, but the devil is in the details and each customer should choose according to his top priorities. For example, I'm sceptical about the 5 Mbps cap. I won't use 1.5 Tb per month (more like a third of this), but even if my server is responsive and configured properly, the line cap could present a downside for visitors. A 10Mbps line with a 500 Gb limit would be preferable.
P.S.: OK, one more point for Gandi. Someone actually is a Monty Python fan!
Would you consider offering discounts to the Open Source Software developers who write the software that powers your hosting solution? If so I can contact you privately with further details, but I wanted to find out if you had any inclination towards the idea.
Anonymous => of course
you can contact us at the email address direction@
Following up for the benefit of anyone else who finds comments 22 and 23: I did in fact contact direction@, and Gandi offered me an excellent Open Source developer discount. I won't give the specific pricing details here in case Gandi doesn't want them shared publicly, but Gandi's offer definitely represents the best Open Source discount I've ever seen. I can highly recommend Gandi's hosting to any Open Source developer who wants to host a project or a personal site.